Can we get Koko on the phone?

Secretary Rumsfeld's Media Roundtable With The BBC And Voice Of America, Friday, Sept. 13, 2002:

There's no debate in the world as to whether they have those weapons. There's no debate in the world as to whether they're continuing to develop and acquire them. There's no debate in the world as to whether or not he's used them. There's no debate in the world as to whether or not he's consistently threatening his neighbors with them. We all know that. A trained ape knows that.